223 is what I shoot the most of. Best .223 Rifle – Final Shots. hide. thanks The .243 will hold velocity and retain accuracy further than any of the.22s. I dont have a dsc yet but I am planning on getting it at some point in the next few years! I got fed up with the lack of calibres available in left-hand rifles, and the .223 is pretty universal. A deer culler can say after shooting a couple thousand animals that 223 is enough gun for deer and it is, but in inexperienced hands a few inches makes a difference. 243 all the way - i use it for both and the occasional rabbit B) , like others have said its an ideal round - 55grn - 75grn ballistic tips for foxing and 80grn - 100+ grn soft nose for deer ( i've knocked quite a few fallow over with mine ). Assuming you have a rimmy of some sort, I'd get the .243 because it covers the Deer species better. When i got my .243 its was not an option to shoot small Deer with .223 but if i was in your shoes i would still go .243 and keep that Roe/Fallow option. Velocity. Thinking about the CZ-550 American with single set trigger in .243, but I have no real knowledge of this rifle other than my experience with the CZ-452 Varmint/17HMR (all good). The 22-250 is a great round as is the 243, the 223 just doesn't do it for me. I have had 3 smaller shooters (2 ladies and a kid) shoot my relatively light tikka with 120 grain bullets and no one has complained about recoil. Another vote for the .243 .......Ideally you'll need to get in to homeloading to get the best potential Fox round and this calibre comes with a very broad portfolio in that department......For Deer the 105 grn SP factory ammo should be OK there. For longer range applications, the .243 is ballistically superior. hide. The best .223 rifle will be a versatile and capable firearm that will allow you to legitimately use it for plinking, target shooting, hunting and even for home defense if you are inclined to use a small caliber high powered rifle for home defense (see our notes about that a little lower in the article).. First I would pick what style gun you want, if its an AR for sure then you are restricted to the calibers that are available, 22-250 not being one. If you are choose whichever you prefer. As we said, there’s a mixed bag here, and we think all these models deserve attention and consideration. .243 could be used for,Paper targets, Coyotes, Deer. A .223 is a big Rabbit gun, do you need that sort of range? It is easy on the ears and shoulder, easy to shoot well, and easy on the pocket book. i have the 4-14x50 ill mp8. The 243 does sound pretty good sounds like I will get more milage out of it. and i think if it wasn't for the ar-15 type guns, the 223 would not be as … I have never owned .223, but have .222, and if ever I am going foxing I always pick up the .243, it is one of the most versatile rounds, I disagree with the statement made by al4x by the way, about "you can do all species of deer ", personally I always pick. The .243 sends a bigger bullet down range and is a great long range flat shooting round in a small package capable and legal to shoot deer with. As John Galway says, people on here are not trying to sell yo anything. A general all purpose small caliber rifle. Mate i reckon go for the 223. In your case for Ohio I would go with the 223 in that rifle rather than the 243, unless you may venture out of Ohio to hunt deer, and prong horn, the the 243 Win is a far better cartridge. People here on Pigeon Watch aren't trying to sell you anything. There seems to be this myth always leading to a 55 gn bullet.. I can't see myself shooting the bigger deer, but then again before I joined Pigeon Watch I certainly couldn't see myself getting a firearms licence & owning ferrets, where's it all gonna end. You can shoot several well aimed shots with a.223 for each.243 shot from a bolt action and nail them while they are still in range. Also look at the switchable barrel rifles, maybe get a .223 that allows you to easily and cheaply create a .243 later?   Your previous content has been restored. Bad experience can come from wounding an animal with to smaller caliber aswell that may put her off for life. The best all around varmint cartridge though is the .22-250. Stealth Stalker, Just looking for a sweet little bolt action rifle with more punch than a rim fire. I would say the 223 is an experts caliber. You can load a bit heavier for hunting predators or varminting and since most .223 rifles have that slower twist rate, shorter leade and tighter freebore, the .223 will likely be more accurate. It is plenty big enough for muntjack with a well done bullet. Seemed like 223 would be the way to go. $250 plus some scope mounts/rings. plus im not a fan of sending a bigger faster bullet through something. Should I get a 223 or 243. If you are experiencing difficulties posting in the Buy/Sell/Trade subforums of TFL, please read the "sticky" announcement threads at the top of the applicable subforum. I am not a fan of 223 for deer. Even though there is a price diff in ammo between .223 & .243 you are not going to be spraying bullets around all the time so cost isn't realy a factor, as it will take a lot of shoots to mount up to the same as buying 2 rifles if you later go for a .308 for Fallow and Reds. My bro in law lives in the states & comes over on business quite a bit, so what scope should he be bringing me? will blow up a groundhog and drop a coyote in its tracks. its outstanding clarity and light gathering capabilities are extremley good. 6.5 creed is worth a look in my opinion. The 243 round was much louder (out in the field with no ear protection), it could reach out a little further, and with accurate hits it was instant (fall over) death to the varmint.   Pasted as rich text. .243 IMO is a bit heavy. Posted by 4 hours ago. groundhogs yeah cause 98% you hit the ground but coyote you send that clean through it and into the woods or fields still doing 2k fps with the 243. im looking for a ligt recoil heavy barreled rifle that will get out to 400-600 yards! Kinda what I thought because I can load up a 223 and load down the 3006 for sure. Well done on getting what you asked for SS. I tend to use the .22-250 for most occasions, but the .243 is hard to beat for long range shots when the wind likes to buck a 43 grain .224 caliber bullet all over the place. .243 is a better deer round than the .223. Yes a 243 will work too, but it costs 3x as much to shoot and is overkill when it comes to rabbits. I think the .243 is pushing the limits on Fallow, with no margin for error. I have a 3-18x 42 Illuminated with 35mm tube, and I have to say the optics quality is amazing. That is my choice- TC Encore. The other option as someone else mentioned is a switch barrel gun. I will predominantly be shooting rabbits & foxes & hopefully a few muntjac. I do like the .223 for the cheap ammo and with my barrel twist the lower grain the better. the 243 would be less effected by wind drift then the 223. and it is a better deer/antelope/varmint gun then the 223. but as bub has said if its for coyote only go with the 22-250. i have both the 243 and 22-250,and both are great guns.myself i don't care for the 223,having had both ar-15s and bolt action rifles. Entry level 223 ammo is also heaps cheaper. Several of these experimenters necked up the .223 Remington to 6mm as the .243 inches (6.17 mm) caliber bullets provided better external ballistic performance over .224 inches (5.69 mm) caliber bullets. 223 vs 243 vs 270. by petemacsydney » Mon Dec 02, 2013 9:59 pm Anybody got advice on 223 vs 243 vs 270? I've owned and shot both as a varmint hunter. .243 could be used for,Paper targets, Coyotes, Deer. I appreciate all the advice guys I'm 90% sure I'm going for the .243, If it all gets to much for you take a walk out the back, i'm sure they have a spare room for you and you could shoot the Bunnies through the bars of your padded cell. up the .270 when going after Fallow or larger. If you are reloading, there is even less difference in price. .243 is a fine round. Such emails will be ignored. Local area here most go with a .243 for coy doggies over even a 22-250 just due to the afternoon wind factor. Best of both worlds then. When out shooting fallow I'm hardly going home to get the .243, when I see a muntjac. I'm not a .223 fan.. Other than being economical.. Gotta be .243 all the way...you never say never.Bit of roe stalking may come your way and then you,ll be thinking ahh *****r B). If you aren't keeping pelts, the 243 puts coyotes down harder. Paste as plain text instead, × The US sales arm of IOR is Valdada Website. all this depends on what bullet weight your shooting but 22-250 will out shoot a 223 and be knocking on the back door of the 243. The short answer is get the 243, it is the more versatile of the two. isn’t uncomfortable, but compared to the .223 Rem., it’s snappy (depending on your rifle, of course). But, before we jump into the ballistics of the .223 Remington, .22-250 Remington, and .243 Winchester, we should remember why anyone bothers hunting what is generally considered an inedible critter (even though some meat eaters are now imbibing.) If you have a firearm related question, please register and post it on the forums. Close. I shoot 200 yards out back with all of them. The very knowledgeable owner of the shop asked me a few questions, what I'd be intending to shoot etc... And he advised me to go with the .223 as its being cleared for CWD & Muntjac in October. I still have 4 of the .223's and one .243. The cheapest online 223 Or 243 Rifle And 243 Autoloading Rifle You can order 223 Or 243 Rifle And 243 Autoloading Rifle after check, compare the values and chec From a cost effective standpoint for yotes and paper the .223 slaps the .243 in the face. I use the .243 for coyotes and groundhogs, and do the same with the .22-250. Generally riles for the .223 caliber bullet rifles are comfortable to use and it enables you to shoot from a suitable angle. × Bolt action rifles, lever action, pump action, self loading rifles and other miscellaneous longarms. but a .243 works good As long as you use the correct bullet type (i.e. The .243 win isn't as affected by wind as the other two calibers. Not enough crack for me. I own both a .223 rem (AR-15) and a .243 win (NEF handi-rifle), I have taken plenty of varmints with both as well as a few deer with the .243 win. Want to shoot 243? I cant decide whether to go for a 223 or 243! Should I get a 223 or 243. for $5 a box for 20 223 rounds vs $30 for 20 243rds id take the 223 any day and just limit my shots to 250 and under. 600yds doesn't seem like much of a problem for .223 on yotes. .22 C/F for small deer species is here in October. shoul i get my handi rifle in .223 ir .243 i will be hunting deer,yotes,foxs,bobcats and potintuly wild hogs. all thou a 223 would be a good one for your needs too and probably cheaper for you than the 243 . As illustrated in the chart, .223 Remington rounds - on average - achieve a velocity of about 3150 feet per second (fps) while .243 Winchester rounds travel at a velocity of 3180 fps. .243 will more than likely be your typical rifle platform. Or compromise and get the 6x45. However depending on the rifle's rate of twist the 243 will probably prefer a … Not too many ranges around here longer than 100 yards, so .223 would be "adequate" I'm sure. A quick video showcasing the 223 and 243 cartridges against my fake deer target. Under 600 yards, however, the .220 Swift is champ because of it's flat trajectory. share. I’m sure a .243 or even the .223 will kill quickly with good bullet placement. The .243 will hold velocity and retain accuracy further than any of the.22s. .243 thoughts, I all ready have a 243 in a pump, however another in a bolt gun wouldnt hurt. Saying this we were in the shop chatting for 45 mins & I genuinely believe he had my best interest at heart. Ammo will cost more than .223. From what i've read, the 22-250 is a step up from the 223 and the 243 is 2-3 steps up from the 22-250. 300 Blackout vs 223 Recoil. The .223 Remington shoots small diameter, lightweight bullets at a very high velocity. Better to have more and not use it,than to want more and not have it available. Pros of using a .223 caliber Rifle. Not too many ranges around here longer than 100 yards, so .223 would be "adequate" I'm sure. 6.5 creed is worth a look in my opinion. Typical factory loaded, it can propel a 55 grain (3.56 g) spritzer bullet at 3.680 ft/s (1.122 m/s) with 1.654 ft-lbf (2.243 J) of energy, while many other loads with lighter bullets are used to achieve velocities of over 4.000 ft/s (1.219 m/s) and still having effective energy for use in … Upload or insert images from URL. And would love to add one of the new Ruger AR-556 rifles to my .223 collection, if my wife lets me. What I forgot to mention in my previous post was I am restricted to being accompanied by an experienced stalker for deer. The .243 isn't readily available in the SS configuration I like, so I'm trying to decide if I should just pick up a SS in .223, or get the blued version (with the tan stock) in .243. I shoot 68 and i also have a awesome load for 75 A-Max also. I have never shot that light of a bullet in my 223. 67 posts • Page 1 of 3 • 1, 2, 3. 223 is cheaper. I'd go 243 and spend less on the scope (although I have a Monarch on my 243 and it is nice). Pigeon Watch Ltd. I went out last night to learn some gun safety and had the opportunity to fire at some targets with a 223, 220 and 270, now the .223 just felt really nice to shoot with and it has me wondering if i should change my application form from a 243 to a 223. You then have to work up loads for the .223, .243 varmint round, and .243 hunting round. I own an AR15 in .223, a singe shot .243 Winchester, and a Weatherby Vanguard in a .22-250 Remington. As for the scope well it'd have to be a leupold with a standard duplex cross air as it's the states but I'd recommend Europeon Glass like a schmidt and that is really expensive ,in fact alot dearer over the pond . Every bit as good. I'm just curious, as I'm going to buy my next scope from the US.   You cannot paste images directly. I shoot both and reload for both, if you are buying good hunting ammo, I don't really see that much difference in price. So for practice ammo, the 223 is in the clear lead, while it’s essentially the same on hunting ammo. Flint Rock , Nov 24, 2009 I might of miss lead you, I could say that most of the Monkeys i've shot have not had as much meat damage as the one you took the other week so don't be to put of by that. My Savage .223 is probably my favorite gun that I own. Powered by Invision Community, People here on Pigeon Watch aren't trying to sell you anything. You can post now and register later. Soldiers with 223’s aren’t concerned with recovery of critically wounded targets. "Agricultural" in that they are as solid as a rock, you feel you could drive a truck over them without damaging the scope. We’ve reached the end of this interesting journey through some of the best .223 rifles that we could find to date. Fairer to say that TEC is apparently not particularly experienced with bolt action centerfire rifles. The other option as someone else mentioned is a switch barrel gun. 223 vs 243 vs 270. I just dont feel the love for Savage, although they are rumored to be shooters. Oh, and I used the 243 on whitetail deer, because I wasn't comfortable using the 223 round. The 5.56 is simply the military designation for the 223! First off, as the OP notes, the straight our ballistics questions is clear. The 223 or even 243 in most cases don’t kill as quickly and in almost all cases doesn’t leave the blood trail that a larger caliber dies. In terms of comfort, the .223 Rem. What guns do you have already? He is right about changing zero for different bullet wieghts, but you shouldn't need to change bullet weight for fox or the smaller deer. and i think if it wasn't for the ar-15 type guns, the 223 would not be as … .223 is plenty for coyote, and kills paper just as dead as anything else. From what i've read, the 22-250 is a step up from the 223 and the 243 is 2-3 steps up from the 22-250. History. The ideal bullet in .243 for fox shooting is the 62 Grain Varmint Grenade (powdered Tin Copper composite) or a heavier standard lead bullet where there is a nice flat trajectory with very little wind deflection. when choosing guns, you have to pick the gun that will suit what you are doing most, not the gun that will do everything. my 1st kill was with a .243 n it killed it dead. As a kid growing up in PA I slaughtered many a deer with my .243. that will add up to another £1000 quid with it dressed and the rest. Speaking to people they think the bigger calibre is to much for small deer, causing unnecessary meat damage. The 243 will do everything a 223 will do, and then some. And there was me me edgeing towards the .223. 1. By report. Since you say that you want this gun for fox and rabbits primarily, the 223 is a no brainer. The .223 is a smaller bullet not just in size but, a good deal in weight and does not have the range or power that the .243 has. First I would pick what style gun you want, if its an AR for sure then you are restricted to the calibers that are available, 22-250 not being one. Location: A big city with far too many cars and people. To me a centrefire is overkill for rabbits etc though some winged vermin its pretty handy. The .223 is a great varmint round and is cheaper to shoot that the .243 223 vs 243 Winchester - Size Comparison. report. 8 8. comments. If you don't plan to shoot Deer much, then rezeroing isn't a problem because you're not going to be changing that often. I got my variation through the post last week (I was expecting a visit from my FLO with lots of questions) but they just sent it out with everything I asked for B) .223 for vermin & fox & .243 for fox & deer. Under 600 yards, however, the .220 Swift is champ because of it's flat trajectory. 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